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    I have had my sphynx for just over a month and the entire time I have owned him he has had diarrhea. 10 times a day he has to poop. I have tried many litters and we still seem to be having problems getting litter stuck in our feet, which is a smelly surprise in the middle of the night. The people that I bought him from said this is normal. I did some research online and it says that diarrhea in a sphynx is not normal. Whats the deal? Is this normal? Do you have litter suggestions? :Dizzy:
     
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      Hi Iblades and welcome to Sphynx Lair! first off no it's not normal, diarrhea can be caused by many things like food changes etc, and while this site is great for all kinds of information and suggestions, I would tell you to see a vet immediately. litter is the least of your problems right now. The first concern is to make sure he does not get dehydrated!:Surprise: Please see your vet and let us all know your out come.
      Good luck, and I hope your little baby is ok!:ThumbsUp:
       
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      Hi Iblades there is also lots of litter info on here , here is one link I found http://www.sphynxlair.com/showthread.php?t=234&highlight=litter when looking for some thing specific there is a search in the menu bar up top, just type in what your looking for. There is also a tag cloud at bottom of the home page with popular tags or phrases used on the site. Hope this helps!
       
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      lblades, as you can imagine litter isn't going to do much for you right now because there is absolutely no non-trackable litter and it will really depend on how much your baby walks in it before hopping out of the box. One of the bigger things that helps is keeping it clean, even if that means scooping the box a few times a day. We've had pretty good luck with being over-generous with the litter when diarrhea is a problem. At least then there's more litter to catch what's left on their feet before they hop out.

      As far as chronic problems, it really depends on the sphynx. Purebred cats always seem to have the more chronic issues versus just your standard street cat because their immune system is weakened. You can imagine that this is worse in a cat that's been bred for only a look. When I purchased Baldwin about 15 months ago, he had diarrhea from May until October of that 2008. Straight diarrhea for that entire time. Like you, we had it tracked all over the house (including in our bed...all the time). Let me first advise that using Nature's Miracle on our carpets and other surfaces that were difficult to clean kept us from pulling our hair out with cleaning bills. We did more medications for diarrhea than I can count on my fingers and toes. Like we did, you need to eliminate intestinal parasites. Unless you've been constantly changing food, it's likely that this isn't what your companion is reacting to. If young, it's probably not a food intolerance. What I would recommend doing right off the bat (because it will save you time and money in the long run because you'll get answers and results faster) is to have a fecal analysis performed BY A LABORATORY and to have a culture and sensitity performed. This generally runs under $100 for the two screens. The fecal analysis will determine if there are any intestinal parasites/protozoan and what, if any (and I'll bet there are), bacteria have become too proliferative for good bowel health. The C&S gives a list of what medications work on the overgrowth(s). For Baldwin, it was an overgrowth of salmonella and enterococcus bacterias. His poop became 85% improved after starting the newly recommended medications and we switched to a raw diet that would add less fat to his diet and his poop is 100% normal now.

      Fast forward almost a year when we adopted his brother and sister (same litter, long story) from a shelter in Kentucky. When I made contact with his first mom, she said that the boy (Buck) had always had problems with diarrhea and went over the entire list of stuff she'd tried. The rescue, being that they had to save money, was unable to afford the diet she was using (which wasn't really that expensive, anyhow). But, be that as it may...we got Buck with every bit of diarrhea he could muster...and the stench to go with it. I put Buck on the same medications that worked for Baldwin and within 24 hours, he had improved drastically. When I switched him over to raw rabbit, both he and Buffy quit having GI issues.

      I am also an online consultant for JustAnswer.com. This is my 2nd year with them. Of the 200 or so clients that have needed help with chronic issues involving diarrhea in cats that did not respond to conventional methods, about 95% of their cats DID respond to exactly what Baldwin and Buck responded to and many of them are still on this regimen today and doing very well.

      I should also add that we had the best luck by using Dr. Elseys cat litter because it's a pretty tight (and fast) clumping litter. It was also one of the only litters that we noticed about a 75% dropped rate in tracking. Once we began using a top-entry box for Baldwin, he almost never tracked "poopy litter" outside of the box because he was forced to wipe his feet on the top of the box (which we fitted with carpet) before hopping off. The carpet was then cleaned as needed with Nature's Miracle and a scrub brush.

      Best of luck to you!
       
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      Hi,

      My name is melodie, and I have has a chronic diarrhea problem in my 4 year old female. She started having it after her 3rd litter for about 1 1/2 years now. We've tried everything we can think of. I've been cleaning my carpets and floors about 4-5 times a day and have contacted specialists for sugestions for about a year. The only thing I have't tried is to get a colon oscopy, which was recommended by a specialist that wrote The Cat Repair book. It was going to cost about 1800.00 so I opted out cause I just can't afford that. The one thing that was sugessted by our local horse vet, was to try her on steriods. We had access to Predizone, so we started her on it 4 days ago. So far she is not going as much but still runny. She seems to have more control though. I was told that she may have scar tissue built in her intestine or colon and it may be too late to fix it, but I will try anything . The vet said that Sphynx cats are very clean cats and it's probably more trematic for her to always be messy on herself then the actual illness. I just don't know what to do either. Mine also had a c-section her first litter and they say that could have messed up her system too. Good luck, and if you find anything else to try please let me know.

      Melodie
       
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      Oh, Melodie, I feel for you. This sounds a lot like what I went through last year with my dog. Thousands of dollars and specialists never figured out what was wrong (he was losing weight, too, and had other things going on). Anyway, prednisone helped a little bit but mostly switching to a home-cooked diet. This is tougher with cats because they have a more dietary needs than dogs do, so if you consider it - definitely make sure you know what you're doing. Anyway, I'm not suggesting you try any of that without the advice of your vet, mostly I just wanted to drop in and say I feel your pain...hang in there!

      PS- Nature's Miracle (found at any chain pet store) is AMAZING for cleaning up poopy messes. I bought that stuff by the gallon.
       
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      I've had my second boy for just over a week now and the whole time he's had diarrhea as well as conjunctivitis... bad combo. Anyhow, finally today (after 4 vet visits 2 being the emergency room) we've finally figured out that poor Skinner has giardia. It's a parasite in the small intestine. So, he's on 2 different meds which he started this morning and he hasn't pooped since.... i called the vet again as this is concerning to me too because he's been eating all day and his belly is a bit distended. the vet said it should be ok but in case he doesn't poop by tomorrow then we have to go back... it could be bad. i've been worried sick about this little guy and i'm stressed out completely. my husband and i haven't slept a full night since bringing him home. and keeping him separated from our 10 month old sphynx boy is also putting strain on him.
      this sucks.:ThumbsDown:
       
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      Melodie, I'm so sorry to hear that you've had problems. What diet do you currently have your companion on? If you haven't already tried it, I'd recommend speaking with your vet about rx'ing Baytril and trying a raw diet trial. It absolutely cannot hurt and it would be much better than risking your companion's immune system by keeping her on steroids all the time. GI problems that respond to steroids are usually inflammatory bowel syndrome which has been proven to respond to raw rabbit in cats. 95% of the cats that were tried on raw rabbit with IBS had improved stools...the other 5% remained the same--which means you've got nothing to lose. The three options were had with Baldwin was: euthanize, C&S (which we did) and to do intestinal biopsies. So, we were literally where you are right now. I'd recommend at least trying the route we went.

      That's too bad to hear. Giardia is preventable and if your companion has it--that means it likely came from the cattery. Make sure to contact your breeder. That's one of the things I love about the culture and sensitivity and laboratory fecal that I recommended, it will screen for Giardia (which is actually a protozoan). If your veterinarian hadn't already warned you, the common name for giardia is "montezuma's revenge"--people can get it too. So, keep those hands washed!!
       
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      Oh no! Pbinky, there is a silver lining here, the troubles you were having early on with introducing your cats was actually a blessing in disguise. Turns out is was a good thing you kept them separated as much as you did. (I know, that probably doesn't make you feel any better :Cry:)

      Did Skinner come from a breeder? If you haven't already, you may want to let the breeder know what's going on...chances are they have it at their place, too. The prognosis for treating Giardia is supposed to be good. Keep your chin up, and please keep us posted on your poor baby.
       
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      We did keep Pbinky and Skinner separated about 50% of the time and everytime Skinner went to the litter box i would clean it immediately. However, the boys did spent time together everyday for 1 week. My husband is now bringing Pbinky's stool sample to see if he's ok. His poop isn't really diarrhea but it seems a bit loose. It's been hell keeping them completely separated now. Pbinky wants to play with his new friend.
      Skinner is starting on day two of his meds for giardia and he still has diarrhea however the smell is not nearly as bad as before. I did let the breeder know what was going on and he offered to pay all the vet bills once this problem is resolved. We are already upwards of $500.
      i'm so worried about Pbinky getting sick too. Plus, all the meds for Skinner are horrible. Between his eye meds and the two meds for the parasites, it just seems like we're torturing the poor boy. I don't want to put Pbinky through the same thing.
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      Giardia is sometimes very difficult to find. I would recommend treating anyhow. It's much easier to get it over with now than to have the cats toss giardia around for a few months. Just because a fecal is negative doesn't mean that giardia isn't there.
       
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      Sounds like A Lot of us have diarrhea! :ThumbsUp: I am trying to locate a Sphynx knowledgeable vet in my area. I have two other cats that did not have diarrhea but are now also having it. I think it must be something that the breeder had. He is in excellent spirits, very healthy. Running and acting crazy with his furrier friends. I change the litter probably 10-20 times a day! Basically everytime I see anyone has gone. I have also recently attempted changing to a clay litter, I received advice from an experienced multi-cat owner that this was the better litter for multiple cats but I personally do not like it, perhaps its that I am not use to it and as far as urine goes I think it does not work properly, so I find myself almost emptying the entire litter daily so it is clean. It has reduced the tracking of litter for the most part. I am use to the clumping litters, but I am considering just buying a self cleaning (flushing) litter so it is always clean for my furry and non-furry babies. :Laugh: I would love to know if anyone has experience with these..
       
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      That's what i want to do but the vet said no. We brought in the sample this morning and i will continue to bring it at least 2 more times if nothing show's in today's sample. Also, we might just bring him in so that the vet can extract a "fresh" sample the way he did Skinner. I want this nightmare to end here and not have a situation where it goes back and forth like you said.
      Otherwise, Skinner is a joy and we love him dearly!:BigSmile:
       
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      That seems strange to me.
      Giardia can be really hard to detect. I'm really surprised your vet wouldn't treat Pbinky for it as a precaution, regardless of a negative result!!
       
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        Unless this is a medication that is a risk for younger pets, I see no reason why not to treat both. Let me tell you from experience through helping a rescue group here in OKC that has a chronic giardia problem in their cat areas, treating everyone is the best idea unless there are underlying reasons that prevent it. It has taken the rescue 3 years to get the problem under control.

        Is he using metronidazole or some other medication?

        Also, there's a giardia snap test that's pretty effective. You might try this for your companion instead of a fecal analysis. Of the thousands upon thousands of fecals I've run over the 8 years I've been in veterinary medicine, I've found 3 positive slides for giardia. That doesn't say anything for how much giardia is out there...it means its REALLY hard to find. In fact, 2 of those slides were mine...the other 1 was a colleagues who saved it back for everyone to look at because no one EVER finds giardia.

        I hate to doubt someone I've never met, but I'm truly wondering what the veterinarian is thinking in this case.
         
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        I just called again and asked for the vet to call me back tonight. i'm going to demand that she treat him. Pbinky just had a loose poop a few minutes ago. The stool test showed to be negative but i really don't think that matters. Perhaps he's a bit stressed because of the separation between him and his new little brother??... I can tell that he's really pissed off about that. He meow's at the door day and night because he knows that Skinner is upstairs. We're giving him soooo much love but he still wants Skinner back.
        i went to the doctor today and i'm going to do a stool sample as well. i feel fine but...what the heck.
        I'll keep you posted.
         
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        I'm with PitRottMommy on this one. I worked for a vet a looong, long time ago, but it was standard practice then to treat the other pets as a precaution because, like she said, it is incredibly hard to detect giardia and also highly contagious. Stress can give a kitten loose stools, but that's quite a coincidence, don't you think?

        If this vet doesn't agree to it, and have a valid reason, you might have luck taking Pbinky to another vet and explaining the situation, just bring a copy of the labs that show Skinner's positive test results.

        Good luck with your own test, too! I've read some reports that say humans can get it from their pets and other reports that say they cannot...fingers crossed!
         
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        Interesting! It's Giardia lamblia in either case (yes?) and should be transmissible to humans (I'm unaware of any "other version" of Giardia that might be "pet only"). I do know that we've had a few clients who have shown up positive first and THEN asked that the pet be tested. We actually sent those pets home with medication without a fecal (because it's so seldom found anyhow) because its possible that the humans gave it to the pets, but more likely the pets gave it to the humans. Either way, why not be negative? No one wants chronic runny poops!

        I wish you luck, Pbinky. I think you're in the right for wanting to treat both babies. I cannot imagine what purpose your vet has in not wanting to treat them both, especially since runny poop keeps happening. It's almost a guarantee that they both have it. I'm keeping my fingers and toes crossed for you. (Keep washing those hands!!!).
         
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        One of my cats had a severe diarrhea problem when we got him from the breeder. After trying many treatments, he finally tested positive for a parasite called "Tritrichomonas foetus." It took a lot of patience, but he stool is finally normal. Took about 6 months to clear with medication. Look into it, as I don't think its a widely known parasite, but is pretty common for persistent diarrhea.

        Good luck!
         
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        Ok, so i took Pbinky into the vet today and we started him on the meds for giradia. The exact same meds as Skinner. Also, both the boys are on a new diet; boiled chicken and rice as well, Pbinky will be having some new dry food called MediGastro from Royal Canin. Skinner will have a tiny bit of dry food but i will be giving him small meals of chicken and rice every few hours, to give his gut a chance of healing. Pbinky has had some softer than normal poops but not full out diarrhea so he's doing well. Skinner on the other hand has some issues in the poop department. it's very gassy and extremely runny. i'm hoping his new diet will help out. he's to stay on it for about 2 weeks and hopefully by then things shouls "firm up".
        The boys are also on probiotics to help repopulate their guts with good bacteria.
        I'm going to still keep them separated until i see some improvement in Skinner, he's done his meds on Saturday and the vet said it would be ok the let them be together but i'm going to wait and see how Pbinky's poop is and maybe let them play for a tiny bit each day. i don't want them to share a litter box until Pbinky is done his meds which isn't until Sunday night. So really, Monday. We'll see how things go.
        This has been soooo difficult on me and my husband. We took off 2 weeks to bring home Skinner and have fun with the boys but it turned out to be a 24 hour nursing station instead. i'm going to have to take more time off next week...i'm supposed to go back to work on Monday but since i have to feed Skinner every few hours i'm going to stay home. i would just feel better doing that instead of feeding him a full meal in the morning before i leave and them have him hungry waiting until i get home. i'm not supposed to give him dry food but i am putting in a couple of kibbles in the chicken and rice so that it melts down and gives more flavor. it works great and he eats it all up!
        Wow, this is quite a challange!:Hysterical:
         
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        Hey there all! I have been a member on here since we got our little Gabriella 2 years ago, when she was 1. I haven't posted until now....
        Anyway, I'm in the same boat with diarrhea :( Poor Gabby has had it off and on since we've had her and this morning I heard her going and it almost killed me, as I can only imagine how raw her poor little booty is....
        I was able to control it a little in the past by altering her diet to ultra heavy protein diet, but this time around she refused to eat the ground beef I cooked up for her, so I've just been trying to control it with limiting her intake of her dry food, and that is clearly not working.
        Often I have to wipe her butt because there are some leftovers, and our six year old says "Mom, Gabby stinks" when she jumps up on his lap.
        I clean the litter box about 1000 times a day it seems and it currently needs a thorough cleaning when I get home from work....
        I'm going to take her to the vet with runny stool sample in hand, as I want to make sure she doesn't have any sort of bacteria or something else going on, but she never goes outside, and never eats anything other than what I have put in food bowl.
        I'm thinking of cooking up some brown rice with some chicken broth for her (I'm Vegan, hahaha) in the meantime and see what, if any changes occur in her bowels.
        Any other natural remedies that have been tried and successful would be greatly appreciated...
        At any rate I will keep you posted!
        Much love to all of our poopy naked babies!
         
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        @gabbismom Oh poor baby. Did you try canned pure pumpkin mixed in her food? Not pumpkin pie filling, just pure pumpkin. It comes in a can in the baking isle. I add a tablespoon to our babies wet and it works wonders. Let us know how you make it!


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          I was just going to suggest this!! All natural pumpkin puree is awesome!! It is very good for the digestive tract. I give it to my cats and my dogs. It clears up diarrhea almost instantly. The vet will try and make you pay $25 for a small tube of probiotics and it doesn't work. I would definitely suggest trying the pumpkin right away. :)
           
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          If the pumpkin doesn't clear it up then I would suggest the Vet right away because there is probably something else going on that will require meds.