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Hi all,

As many of you know I've introduced a new baby to my home that already has Siiri (6 months) in it. It's only been a 4 days and it's going well. About half of the meals they eat side by side. They sleep in our bed, not skin to skin but one between hubby and I and one in my armpit under the covers. I've tried playing like crazy with them and they do smell each other and check each other out while on the litter box. Both are truly social and good natured. It's the rough playing from Siiri that I'm concerned about. She's so much bigger. She runs little Ville down, slaps him so hard you hear it though never any claws. She wrestles him down and bites him, never breaking the skin. Ville lays down on his back, exposing the tummy, surrendering every time. We do try to get between them and redirect the attention with toys but when Siiri has her eyes on Ville, nothing helps.
Am I paranoid? Should I let them work it out? Can I help them in any way? I don't want either of them become a corner dweller due to the fights. Not an expert in any way so all tips and trix you have, please share!
 

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I'm not a 100% sure cause well you know I'm like the uber noob here at the moment. :ROFLMAO:
But somehow this reminds me a tiny bit of my ferrets in the old days. (They are far more cruell and wild when you put a new one in their clan. They bite in the new once neck and drag them over the floor. Yeah.. that's their nature... :sorry:)
Thus it made me wonder. Is it possible Siiri maybe is trying to show a little bit without really harming your new baby that she's the leader. The alfa female? (I'm honestly not sure if that's a thing in cat clans, so just a thought I'm throwing out there)

I know with ferrets letting them work it out and give it time was pretty much the only option, to say it very cruel and I do hope I do not shock to much people with this and been blessed to never out of our 7 having to been through it back then... If they don't want it in the clan, it wouldn't survive one day. (they would bite the new one to death :sorry:)
Though like you say, not using claw or bite till skinbreak and half of the time share their meals and sleeping sort of at the same spot but not really.. That has to be good signs right?

Well I hope a more experienced member can jump in, cause as we're considering to get a sister (or brother) for Safira next year, I'm very curious about this too.
Positive vibes send and hopefully all works out wel over time.
Toes crossed! :love:
 

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I'm not a 100% sure cause well you know I'm like the uber noob here at the moment. :ROFLMAO:
But somehow this reminds me a tiny bit of my ferrets in the old days. (They are far more cruell and wild when you put a new one in their clan. They bite in the new once neck and drag them over the floor. Yeah.. that's their nature... :sorry:)
Thus it made me wonder. Is it possible Siiri maybe is trying to show a little bit without really harming your new baby that she's the leader. The alfa female? (I'm honestly not sure if that's a thing in cat clans, so just a thought I'm throwing out there)

I know with ferrets letting them work it out and give it time was pretty much the only option, to say it very cruel and I do hope I do not shock to much people with this and been blessed to never out of our 7 having to been through it back then... If they don't want it in the clan, it wouldn't survive one day. (they would bite the new one to death :sorry:)
Though like you say, not using claw or bite till skinbreak and half of the time share their meals and sleeping sort of at the same spot but not really.. That has to be good signs right?

Well I hope a more experienced member can jump in, cause as we're considering to get a sister (or brother) for Safira next year, I'm very curious about this too.
Positive vibes send and hopefully all works out wel over time.
I'm not a 100% sure cause well you know I'm like the uber noob here at the moment. :ROFLMAO:
But somehow this reminds me a tiny bit of my ferrets in the old days. (They are far more cruell and wild when you put a new one in their clan. They bite in the new once neck and drag them over the floor. Yeah.. that's their nature... :sorry:)
Thus it made me wonder. Is it possible Siiri maybe is trying to show a little bit without really harming your new baby that she's the leader. The alfa female? (I'm honestly not sure if that's a thing in cat clans, so just a thought I'm throwing out there)

I know with ferrets letting them work it out and give it time was pretty much the only option, to say it very cruel and I do hope I do not shock to much people with this and been blessed to never out of our 7 having to been through it back then... If they don't want it in the clan, it wouldn't survive one day. (they would bite the new one to death :sorry:)
Though like you say, not using claw or bite till skinbreak and half of the time share their meals and sleeping sort of at the same spot but not really.. That has to be good signs right?

Well I hope a more experienced member can jump in, cause as we're considering to get a sister (or brother) for Safira next year, I'm very curious about this too.
Positive vibes send and hopefully all works out wel over time.
Toes crossed! :love:
Yeah, I know they need to establish some kind of order between them and I've been through this before but my current crew is so young and doing it so rough, scares me a bit. Little Ville flies like a sock when she slaps him around and she's still a kitten herself. I think I need to learn to speak cat more fluently to understand...
 

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Aw so sorry @Zab I wish I could help out more but I honestly have no clue :sorry:
Thus hopefully some advice of the experienced once soon. (y) big hug!
 

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Aw so sorry @Zab I wish I could help out more but I honestly have no clue :sorry:
Thus hopefully some advice of the experienced once soon. (y) big hug!
No worries, I was so chocked to read about how the ferrets works. I can imagine you holding your breath every time....I wish they'd listen to reason.
 

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You have seen our older boy totally loves his brother, but there are times they play crazy hard...scary hard. It has gotten even harder as our youngest has gotten older...he challenges his older brother now that he has gotten bigger. Myshka is still much bigger but they go back and forth trying to rule. As long as one surrenders it is normal and they are just feeling their way through the pecking order. Often males will get bigger than females, so Siiri might be getting her licks in now and he might later. No blood, no nails is a great sign.
 

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You have seen our older boy totally loves his brother, but there are times they play crazy hard...scary hard. It has gotten even harder as our youngest has gotten older...he challenges his older brother now that he has gotten bigger. Myshka is still much bigger but they go back and forth trying to rule. As long as one surrenders it is normal and they are just feeling their way through the pecking order. Often males will get bigger than females, so Siiri might be getting her licks in now and he might later. No blood, no nails is a great sign.
Thank god... I'll never get used to it! Do they even know their genders since they're fixed so young? I thought they're just "cats" since they never get sexually mature.
 

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They are just in the moment. Still natural for them to decide who will be top cat. The hormones are not raging thank goodness. Has Siiri lost her baby teeth or still is? Ochi is 6 months and naturally biting more than ever and rambunctious as all get out due to age/teething. It’s a stage for sure. @Zab
 

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@Zab Oh yes, every new ferret pup was going to sleep (cause I had a job back then) praying and wake up praying they where still all there.
Glad I never had to go through that, but I know other ferret owners that where less lucky. *sigh*
Nature can be... hard.
I still adore ferrets but hmm I grew a bit out of them ever since I layed my eyes in a sphynx. :ROFLMAO:
Ferrets are awesome and playful and you also do their ears, nails, bath them (some even loved to swim!) so it was a close fit.
But with the affectionate I was missing I'm fairly sure sphynx is the puuuuurrrfect fit. :LOL:
 

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They are just in the moment. Still natural for them to decide who will be top cat. The hormones are not raging thank goodness. Has Siiri lost her baby teeth or still is? Ochi is 6 months and naturally biting more than ever and rambunctious as all get out due to age/teething. It’s a stage for sure. @Zab
Siiri is biting just about everything, so I'm guessing it's that time for her. I haven't found any teeth anywhere but maybe they just end up in her tummy. Every day gets easier and this morning I woke up to Siiri licking Villes forhead and I was was silently yahooing. It's just hard to hear when she slaps him, sounds like someone throwing a piece of meat on the floor!
 

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I'm kinda glad I discovered about the teeth before my baby arrived. I wasn't aware of that yet (it still makes me cringe a little when I read it.) until hmm I think I've read it here somewhere or on facebook group or so so?
I would panic so insane hard if I where to find teeth at random somewhere. :wideyed:

((hug)) I hope the slapping stops. I'm still crossing my toes for you (cramps! oh the cramps lol just kidding. I hope that made you smile at least a little)
 

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I'm kinda glad I discovered about the teeth before my baby arrived. I wasn't aware of that yet (it still makes me cringe a little when I read it.) until hmm I think I've read it here somewhere or on facebook group or so so?
I would panic so insane hard if I where to find teeth at random somewhere. :wideyed:

((hug)) I hope the slapping stops. I'm still crossing my toes for you (cramps! oh the cramps lol just kidding. I hope that made you smile at least a little)
Yes, when they lose their baby teeth you sometimes can find them around. Kinda gross, but totally natural. I guess that the teeth more often end up in the cats tummy.
(Yep, your cramps made me smile....)
 

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Ooooh how I feel how difficult it can be to watch how hard they play to rule out who's the top cat. Although Foxy was accepted very easily and Jade loves her from the first moment. Jade also slaps her, bites her, pins her down in a very rough way. The breeder told me, as long as there's no blood or scars and one surrenders let them sort it out together. I know it's heartbreaking but the best way. Just close your eyes and ears now and then;-)
 
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