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Sphynx Asylum Mom

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Hello All!

We brought home our first baby girl Hattie in late February and within a week we knew we needed to go back to the breeder and get her sister, who we names Sobe and brought home in late March. They were born in late August 2013.

Our lives have been forever changed by these girls and we know that adding them to our family was the best decision that we have ever made.

The one issue we have been battling is chronic diarrhea. Hattie had it when we brought her home and then Sobe was the same when we brought her home. The breeder said they were both firm and "normal" until they had their spays. We have been fighting to find out what is going on. At first both tested positive for bacterial infections in their gut and they were put on antibiotics. Then it did not get better, so they tested for Giardia and both tested negative. They treated them for that and no improvement. During this time they were also on anti-diarrheal medicine and the vet had us change them to the canned ID prescription food with a probiotic sprinkled and mixed into it. After no improvement we decided to test for tri tricamonis (sp?) and a ton of other parasites and bacterial infections....tests came back normal. We have also tried pumpkin. Anytime we have changed something it was a slow progressive change as not to shock their systems and we did it for 3-4 weeks before making any other changes. One of the girls got better and the other got worse for no seeming reason and we had to take Sobe in for sub-q fluids twice as she would not eat, would drink but still had the completely liquid poop. At this point we are several hundred dollars in vet bills and they referred us to a GI specialist. We saw them and they did the PCR test, one test each, and both came back negative!! That doctor gave us the pancreatic enzymes to give them in the case they had pancreatic insufficiency....that did not work. Now we know that this test can come back false positive but we certainly do NOT have the $150+ per test to keep retesting. It was at that point I decided to switch them to RAW. I found the recipe from Dr. Lisa Pierson and they have been on that for about a month, no probiotics (it seems to make the diarrhea worse and stinkier) and no other treats or anything other than the RAW. I feed the ground chicken thighs, livers and hearts with all the supplements in her recipe. Well a month later....we STILL have the same diarrhea!

I did get in touch with the breeder when we went to the specialist and the sister he still has, who is not spayed and twice the size of our girls, had not had any digestive issues per his account.

Our girls are the "runts" of the litter and Hattie came to us at 2.5lbs and Sobe at about 3lbs when they were 6 and 7 months old respectively. They have gained a great deal of weight, but still have massive digestive issues. They are both at about 5 lbs now and act just fine except for the diarrhea.

At this point the only thing I can guess is they have IBD or undetectable tri tric and we have to just wait it out and hope their little systems mature and grow out of it.

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This is so similar to the case I had with khaleesi. She was trialled in everything and tested on everything. It got so bad she looked sick and she had blood and mucous just falling out of her wherever she walked. She lost so much weight whilst we tried to work it out. Eventually the vet said IBD so we tried royal canin gastro intestinal dry and wet. Within a week khaleesi was so much better! No more diarrheah :) she is now a little on the chubby side but I'm too scared to take her off the food! This is her now
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good luck- give that food a go if you have explored your options. It's high fat so at least your baby can get some nutrients
 

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Do they have sensitivities to specific proteins, such as chicken? Chicken sensitivities / allergies are fairly common, and chicken products are in nearly every cat food out there! Mine has an issue with this, which is why it comes to mind. My other thought was IBD, like @Emily0404 's Khaleesi has.

One question... How are they so small?! My Zoa was the runt of her litter too and was still 4lb at 16 weeks! That is crazy, I have never heard of cats being soooo tiny at that age!

Anyway, welcome to the lair!! So glad you joined and I hope you enjoy the community! And don't forget to share some pics of your girls!
 

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@KansasSphynxMom - Don't give up yet. Since both cats have the problem the odds are that it's not a rare disease but rather something common. IBD is pretty common. I'm a big fan of Dr. Pierson but nobody can cover everything so another great web site is feline-nutrition.org and they have a very thorough article on IBD written by another vet. This vet recommends an "introduction diet." To explain why I'll just cut and paste the following from the article:

"Cats with serious digestive problems may show signs of diarrhoea, abdominal pain, bloating, and constipation. These cats need to be transitioned to a raw diet via the introduction diet, which will reduce the symptoms quickly and initiate the healing process in the digestive system."

The article then goes into food allergies and intolerances (to @Helsinki's point) but the author says that because it's so hard to test for allergies and it's also hard to distinguish between IBD and food allergies, that she recommends going straight to this "introduction diet." There is also a good explanation about how to prepare it. There is also a section on the importance of probiotics.

In conclusion, you know your kitty much better than any of us, so I would encourage you to read this and see if it sounds like it might be what is affecting your Sphynxes.

Here is the link to the article: http://feline-nutrition.org/health/feline-inflammatory-bowel-disease-nature-and-treatment
 
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Hello @KansasSphynxMom and welcome to Sphynxlair! So glad you found us! The only thing I would add is that Giardia which is very common and produces false negatives in many instances can be a hard culprit to get rid of. If the steps are not carefully taken for re-cotamination, its an endless battle. Also, switching foods will generally make the diarrhea worse. http://sphynxlair.com/community/threads/sphynx-cat-with-diarrhea-giardia.3610/ good luck, hope you findd the answer!
 
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Welcome to sphynxlair, good to have you.
@Emily0404 gave you good advice. If that doesn't work, there
was a person on here before had this issue and finally tried dry food
hairball formula. Or for hairballs. It took care of the problem.
Her cat done great, I don't know why it worked, but, great it did.
If all else fails I would give it a try.
 

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Do they have sensitivities to specific proteins, such as chicken? Chicken sensitivities / allergies are fairly common, and chicken products are in nearly every cat food out there! Mine has an issue with this, which is why it comes to mind. My other thought was IBD, like @Emily0404 's Khaleesi has.

One question... How are they so small?! My Zoa was the runt of her litter too and was still 4lb at 16 weeks! That is crazy, I have never heard of cats being soooo tiny at that age!

Anyway, welcome to the lair!! So glad you joined and I hope you enjoy the community! And don't forget to share some pics of your girls!

Thank you! We are not sure if they have sensitivities, but I don't think so. They were on dry Pro Plan Kitten and canned Authority kitten at the breeder and had normal digestion and stools. They started having the problems after they each had their spay, one month apart at the same vet (but is not our vet). We kept them on the exact same food when we brought them home and we have never had a normal stool from either of them. We have started to see some firming but then for apparently no reason it goes completely watery again.

Now today...they (especially Hattie) are not as interested in their Raw food. It is the same batch they have been eating for the last week. Hattie would not touch it at all, Sobe ate all of hers but was not as "excited" about dinner. They have a vet appointment on Saturday so we are going to bring this up...I am at a total loss and all we want is our babies to be well.

We too were wondering how they were so small as they were indeed much smaller than their sisters that we also saw. The breeder said that their litter was the first time he had ever used that father and that he was one he "borrowed" from a fellow breeder. All of the other siblings are normal size and normal health. We have wondered with the vet if these two just have under developed digestive systems but have concluded no because they had normal digestion before we got them and only started having the issues after they were spayed.

I have also added some pics of them. :)
 

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This is so similar to the case I had with khaleesi. She was trialled in everything and tested on everything. It got so bad she looked sick and she had blood and mucous just falling out of her wherever she walked. She lost so much weight whilst we tried to work it out. Eventually the vet said IBD so we tried royal canin gastro intestinal dry and wet. Within a week khaleesi was so much better! No more diarrheah :) she is now a little on the chubby side but I'm too scared to take her off the food! This is her now View attachment 48236 good luck- give that food a go if you have explored your options. It's high fat so at least your baby can get some nutrients

She is adorable. Sobe has been to the point where she just has poo running out when she walks. I am going to bring up the Royal Canin at the vet this weekend as we have not tried that yet.

Here are our babies! Sobe is enjoying HD-CatTV Hattie is watching her from across the room.
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they are beautiful! My only suggestion would be to maybe try a different meat for their raw food? Since many sphynx do have chicken intolerance's or allergies maybe a different meat could help? I've heard so many stories of raw helping people turn their cats health around I would give that a shot!
 

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they are beautiful! My only suggestion would be to maybe try a different meat for their raw food? Since many sphynx do have chicken intolerance's or allergies maybe a different meat could help? I've heard so many stories of raw helping people turn their cats health around I would give that a shot!

Thank you! That is something that we have thought about. We know we could switch them to rabbit and I do know where to get it from. I will bring that up to the vet as well as a possibility.
 

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Thank you so much for these articles! I think I am going to do this as our next step to try....I would rather keep them on natural food than processed/canned/dry foods.

I will keep everyone posted on our progress!
 

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Do you think they could of have a botched spay done and maybe the doctor hit something? I know it sounds far fetched, but that is what both have in common.
 

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Hi and welcome. I hope your able to get this figured out soon @Emily0404 tried royal Caine and it helped it sounds like a good option. I would still use plain canned pumpkin too. Do you use Lysine for their immune systems?

Keeping you in prayer

Christina
 

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hi and welcome your two girls are beautiful ! I hope you get the tummy issues under control . You have gotten great advise already.
 

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Hi you can try blending to a powder grain free biscuits and then mixing it through their food. It helps with nutrition and binding the stools. You can also add freshly cooked chicken breast hormone free and hormone free kangaroo slightly cooked and mixing it through.

Keeping a food diary really helps.

http://www.canidae.com
 

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Thank you so much for these articles! I think I am going to do this as our next step to try....I would rather keep them on natural food than processed/canned/dry foods.

I will keep everyone posted on our progress!


@Condo commando, we decided to try your suggestion and I made a batch of boiled chicken thigh and turkey legs and such from Feline Nutrition tonight. Hattie had continued to not eat the raw for the 2nd day...but she LOVED the broth and boiled meat and so did Sobe. We are going to try that for a while and see if it helps heal them. I also joined Feline Nutrition, they have great information!
Thank you again to everyone for your advise and thoughts! I will keep everyone posted! (y)
 

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I also forgot my breeder says science diet hair all formula helps bind lose stool. I keep that on hand and I also don't feed as much chicken it makes them stinky. I stick to turkey, duck, turkey & giblets and lamb, some fish

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@Condo commando. Okay so I have made my second batch of the broth and shredded up chicken. This time I added 2 cornish game hens to the two whole chickens and chicken thighs. The first batch I also had 3 turkey legs, but the store did not have any this time.

They are gobbling up the broth and meat mix and seem to love it. No improvements stool wise yet, but we know it takes time.

I was wondering what other meats you or anyone else would suggest to cook up in my next batch. I think I have enough to get me through hopefully 2 weeks.
 

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@KansasSphynxMom - I think the ones you've been using are fine and I would stick to that for a couple of weeks.

I'm pretty sure the writeup also mentioned fish stock but I don't think I would introduce a lot of things in case they have an intolerance we don't know about.

I'm really glad they are eating. I've had cats with digestive issues before and when they feel really bad they don't like to eat, maybe at all. If you see their appetite picks up it's a good sign, even if they are still runny. Like you said, it takes time. Hang in there.
 
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