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First Time Making Raw (for Maximillian v. Strange)

Xandria

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I hope you don't mind my sharing my entire thought/research process into raw food. I likely gave it more than thought than I should... but I can't help myself. If I've posted links I shouldn't, please slap me, and I'll edit the post.

After considerable research, I’m definitely in support of feeding Max a raw food diet. The health benefits of a raw food diet are substantial, and my understanding is that Sphynx cats, in particular, no longer leave stink bombs in (or outside) the litter box. I found this site very useful: http://www.catinfo.org/

Then came the research into commercially prepared raw food vs home made raw food. Home made is definitely cheaper by a magnitude of about 50%. Plus, while Vancouver, BC has numerous options for commercially prepared raw food, I wasn’t keen on the ingredient lists – namely, lack of some essential nutrients, addition of unnecessary vegetable matter, and in some cases, made with meat from animals given antibiotics and hormones. After all that dissection, it was plain to me that I’d be happy making Max’s food from meats of my choosing. I make most of my own food from scratch, so it’s not much extra effort.

Next I had to decide between meat + complete powder nutrient additive OR precise percentages of meat, organ, bone, and heart plus additional nutrient additives. Yes, I have a background in chemistry and aced analytical chemistry, but oh my god, I am not ready to pursue the latter… maybe one day, but not today. And it doesn’t strike me as any cheaper than the former.

Then I had to source meat without antibiotics and hormones. My own butcher is willing to give me a nice deal on beef, but I’d like Max to have variety. After performing my typical due diligence, I settled on Hills Foods (http://www.hillsfoods.com/). They offer bulk pricing and have the most amazing assortment of meats (from camel to venison and everything in between). So I picked up 1 lb. of 8 different meats.

And finally I had to decide on a complete powder nutrient additive. I smiled wide when I discovered that the much loved Better in the Raw (https://www.knowbetterpetfood.com/) was made on Salt Spring Island (one of my favourite vacation spots). There are others, but pardon my patriotism here. And I was justified in my choice by the fact that a number of makers of home made raw here use Better in the Raw.

Also, I’m not a fan of plastic, so I purchased these fantastic wide mouthed glass jars (less than $1 each) (http://www.bernardin.ca/pages/product_page/47.php?pid=41) that hold .5 lb of cat food each. I picked up two cases of 12 jars at Canadian Tire.

At last, tonight I made my first batch of cat food!!!

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The process was longer than it normally would be if I were mixing up one large batch of the same meat type. Tonight I made 8 different types of cat food.

1 lb. of each meat was combined with .75 cup of water + .25 cup of Better in the Raw, resulting in 1.5 cups of cat food.

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First I used my whisk to combine water and powder, but that proved… splattery. I then resorted to the OXO mixing container I use for my salad dressings.

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Much better! I spread the meat out in the bowl, poured the water and powder mixture over top and combined it all quickly. The scale became moot after the first bit when I realized that Max is seriously not going to care if one container comprises of 212 g and another holds 208 g. Seriously… OCD and chemistry skills can be prohibitive at times.

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In the end, I have 8 (meat types) x 3 = 24 half pound jars of cat food.

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How much is Max going to eat? I think about 1 lb. per day while he’s a kitten (possibly more?). I’ll be feeding him 3 times per day, as much as he can eat in half an hour. It’ll be an interesting experiment. I’ll keep notes on which meats Max likes best, and how much he eats.

The cost (in Canadian dollars)? For this test prep, between meat and Better in the Raw, the cost ranged from $6 to $7.50 per pound. In future, I’m looking at $5 to $6.50 per pound with bulk purchasing.

And that’s my initial journey into raw feeding.

Now I need Max! LOL

I have no idea if this will help others, but I've been wanting to put this together for myself for a while and thought it may help others newbies like myself who are curious about costs.


It's an Excel spreadsheet where you can fill in your cost for BitR and meats per pound. Also enter how much your naked(s) eat per day and voila -- final cost per day.

If it doesn't make sense, let me know.

Cheers.

Raw Food Calculator
 
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Awesome prep work! Like you said all you need now is Max :) It'll be interesting to see what his preference is protein wise. Homemade is definitely the best and most cost effective. Wish I had the time and energy for it! Let's be honest it's mostly my energy level ;)
 

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Hubby was surprised at how quick it all came together (especially for doing 8 separate batches), and how little mess it all made. Next time I'll do larger batches of only a few types of meat and use gloved hands for mixing instead of a spoon.

Thanks for your encouragement!
 

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Just a tip, since you live on the coast...

I throw salmon fillets for my guys (caught in Comox) in the oven, and throw some of that in with their mix too (with the better in the raw).

I usually use Chum fillets - they are oilier and not as nice for eating. I even just keep some chunks of cooked salmon in the freezer in a container. Either for treats, or to entice them to eat if they are ill or being picky.
 

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awesome!!!

I put my powder in the bowl first and then add water and mix it really well and then add my meat.

Oh dont feed Pork. They say its not good for cats tummy.
 

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@Ickushouse -- I would be delighted to home cook a fine meal, served with wine and after dinner cocktails for any Lairian who comes to visit. I'm in Vancouver, BC. Just give me a week's notice ;-)

I also have a comfy couch bed and will soon have a naked to play with.

And yes, I'm seirous!
 

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@Ickushouse -- I would be delighted to home cook a fine meal, served with wine and after dinner cocktails for any Lairian who comes to visit. I'm in Vancouver, BC. Just give me a week's notice ;-)

I also have a comfy couch bed and will soon have a naked to play with.

And yes, I'm seirous!
Oh yeah??? I go to Vancouver Island almost every time I visit my parents in WA. I've thought about taking the ferry to Vancouver, so be careful what you say!!! he he.
 

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Please do!!!! Hubby and I would love to chat with others who are owned by Sphynx!!! And I love to cook. So there you go. Just let me know in advance. 'twould be fun!
 

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This was awesome and seriously helpful! We're just venturing into raw territory ourselves. In fact, just today I picked up a "sample sized" container of raw food from our pet store. Greg wanted nothing to do with it. Sigh. I'm going to keep working on it with him, and I am going to check out that meat site asap. How cool is camel?? Also loved the glass containers. I'm not into plastic either. Seriously great post. Thanks!
 

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Awww, thank you, @Gregory The Cat . I teach adults to use high end technology for a living, so I think that comes through a bit. ha ha. I also write training materials.

Try adding some FortiFlora (for cats) to the raw food. I have some on standby in case Max doesn't bite (haha) at first. I understand it's like crack for kitties. I read here (can't remember who at the moment) that just a half packet to raw is needed.

Keep trying!!

Oh, and that meat place is in Vancouver, Canada, but hopefully you can find something similar near you! Cheers!
 

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Awesome! I was literally just on the eatwild site! Haha!
It's a bit difficult to find things for me because a lot of searches turn up Buffalo meat, not necessarily meat in Buffalo.
That second site was cool too. Feel-rite is a place I shop currently, but being a vegetarian, I never looked at the meats.
I will also be checking out our local Co-op to see if I can find some info on farms in the area. We do have reasonable access to farm raised Amish chickens, so I can always start with that.
I think I might get a meat grinder attachment for my kitchenaid mixer. Any thoughts on that @Xandria? I guess I worry that I may not be able to find ground meat as easily. What do you think?
 

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Grinding your own meat is often preferable, however, if a butcher/farm grinds and freezes quickly, then you can thaw, prepare and refreeze. While, technically, it's not good to refreeze ground meats, I honestly feel it's safe to do so if you trust the original source and know they grind and freeze quickly.

I went so far as to ensure that my fridge is indeed cold enough that thawing won't introduce any issues; 4 °C (40 °F).

Essentially I brought home the frozen meats (in one of my coolers), put them in the fridge for 24 hours, made the cat food, and froze it in those containers.

But you can't beat fresh ;-)

I hope that helps some!
 

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My pleasure. Like a few other Lairians here, I suffer a wee bit of OCD when it comes to research :LOL:. And I'm always happy to share. Cheers.
 

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ETA:

Hopefully this helps anyone looking to source local meats. I know every city is different, but hopefully this process helps some (thanks to @Calicocious for nudging me to add this here as your question was really good):

Google or search yellow pages for butchers near you. You'll likely find an array of small butchers that really buy from a larger supplier in town, and larger butchers that bring in their own from the source. You may also stumble on suppliers to restaurants -- which might be awesome. Search search search.

Depending on your own beliefs, you may want to ask if they carry hormone and antibiotic free meats. Of course also ask for price lists or get an estimate for ground/stewing/non-ground:
  • 1 trial lb. each of turkey, beef, venison, etc.
  • 10 lbs (or whatever they consider bulk or next price point) of each above meat
Then google search reviews for these butchers (try Yelp and just "XYZ Butcher review").

I suggest 1 trial lb. each of the meats you want to test on your nakeds. 1 lb. of meat will make 1.5 lbs. of raw using BiTR.

Then it's time to test on your nakeds!!!
 

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BitR is made on Saltspring? You've got to be kidding me! Why then is it not readily available here on the Island and at my local Raw food store?

I wish I knew more about the meat that is available here, we have a really nice butcher shop down the road, but I don't know much about their sourcing. As you know Xandria, I have fed Red Dog Blue Kat, Buddies and Carnivora. I know you don't like the veggies in the Red Dog, but I believe their sourcing is impeccable as they no longer carry the rabbit as they can not source it to their standards, however, it is one of the most expensive raw foods available at my local store.

Just from experience my boys and Sera love Kangaroo and lamb, Vito is not keen on Duck. The also seem to like the Elk/Reindeer.

On another note, I cannot confirm the Vito or Sera have pooped since Monday :(
 

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Isn't that crazy that BitR is made in our back yard? I think she does mail order only -- no retail presence.

RDBK is actually good; I'm just not a fan of added veg matter, although I know in the wild they'd get it by eating the stomach contents of their prey.

I sadly recycled all my investigative notes so I'll need to redo some research over the holidays. sigh.
 

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I messaged BitR and asked if they had any retailers on the Island and then suggested that our raw food store, Growlies might be interested. Still trying to figure out the meat sourcing as I wont be buying a meat grinder.
 
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