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Luna had babies!

Tasha2511

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Hi All,

Lets start with the happy news first - Last week Luna gave birth to 6 little babies.

Now for the sad news...one of the babies required my work - i tried to get as much fluid out of her lungs as possible at birth, then had to give her the kiss of life.
Long story cut short (I was caring for her for 3 days, Luna was cuddling with her - in a strange way, Luna used to take her to her litter tray which she wasnt using, and lay down and cuddle with her)...Monday, Luna brought her to me, onto my bed and sat down looking at me. Little girl, we named her Pepper (small and strong) wasnt crying. She wasnt cold, but her head was cold. I quickly weighed her...she lost 8g in a period of 4 hours. I put a tube down, slowly began to let the formula down...out of 2ml, some came up through the mouth and nose. I sucked out as much as I could.
I rushed her into the hospital, whilst I was driving I had to assist her with breathing, and getting all the liquid out of her nose - she was gasping for air. She was pressed against my palm under the blanket.
The night before...She was feeding fine, suckling, latching on (it was her first night of nursing)...and I was giving her extra formula too...she took a dive over a period of 3 and a half hours that i didnt attend to her. I can only blame myself for that.
At the hospital, she was on IV, oxygen, antibiotics and fluids. Due to carelessness of the hospital staff, the nurses were told to feed her. I was called at 2pm to be advised that she was fed, but regurgitated, suffocated but they managed to revive her. At 4pm...they were not so lucky. And I got the dreaded call...It broke me. Writing this, is breaking me. I am angry and upset. I did all I could for 4 whole days (kept her warm, fed her every 2 hours, not slept, not ate myself to make sure that Pepper and the other 6 were all fed and warm)...I asked for medical intervention and they failed me...and Luna too. I cannot help but feel the blame for that...I had a true bond with that little girl. And now I no longer have my little girl. If she was crying, I would kiss her head and she would calm down and fall asleep. She was the smallest of the litter...number 5 to arrive.

Monday night I had to rush another one...named Chilli (number 6 to arrive, second from the smallest)...he had clicker breathing. He was put on oxygen, IV, antibiotics and was later discharged to be medicated at home.

Well last night, I had to call again...another one, liquid at the nostrils...sounds like sneezing. Was advised to start medicating all 6 of them. I also noticed something strange - they all have odd brown marks on their cheeks and chins...and one who sounds like hes sneezing (Mr Blue - chucky number 2), has a brown line going across the tip of his tongue.

I am reaching out, because I lost trust in our vet. I sent an email with the pictures and no response...I feel like half the time, I am having to tell them WHAT I THINK it could be.
Luna was tested for everything - all of the viruses were all negative.
The only thing that she had, was diarhoea all throughout her pregnancy. We tried everything we could to stop it - 5 days before she gave birth it stopped. She also had a 7th baby, but he never formed properly - he was fluid filled.
She also fell half way through her pregnancy, and was limping...then started losing balance on that leg. This still continues, and yesterday when I was testing her leg after she couldnt put her back foot down, her patella clicked, and then she went running normal (no limp, like she was all ok).

I will attach few pictures for you.
 

Tasha2511

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Toa and Ross

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So very sorry for the loss of little Pepper. Can imagine it breaks your heart after taking care of her the way you did. I think you did all you could do. Remember Pepper was surrounded by your and Luna's love in her short life.

All fingers and paws crossed the rest of the litter will grow up to be healthy and strong and the meds will do their work.

I don't have much experience with kittens so hope others chime in with advice!

Hugs for you
 

Lynn W

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I'm so sorry you lost little pepper after such a valiant fight to save her. It's heartbreaking. I hope the rest of the babies will be alright and grow up strong and healthy.
 

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@Tasha2511 , oh sweetie hugs n head smooches to mum Luna and babies
I am so sorry to read little Pepper got her angel wings
Fly free amd high sweet baby -

Hopeful others will chime in
@momdeeze any suggestions about the brown line on the tongues?
 

Tasha2511

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Thank you all for your kind wishes. I miss Pepper so much. She had a fighting spirit...and I do still carry the blame. I am still heartbroken and livid, especially knowing that they drowned her. She was loved...such a little girl, with so much fighting spirit...only 4 days old and was loved unconditionally. I am trying to concentrate on the others.

Reason I am reaching out here, is because two heads are better than one, and four are better than two.
My mentor thinks calicivirus, but I’m doubtful. The only markers Luna had were for coronavirus. I was testing her until the markers went below 6 (she was shedding at the time), and then stayed below 6. This was 6 months ago. Prior to pregnancy she tested negative for all. Tests were done twice - 23 day interval.
The father to the babies... no raised markers on any virus. No bacteria.

Synulox also seems to be working - breathing is fine this morning. All babies are gaining between 0.2 to 0.7oz every 12 hours (yes I’m paranoid, I weigh them every 12 hours to ensure I catch anything I can early).

However, another one now has a black/brown line on the tip of the tongue. And to top this off, Luna is behaving strangely around him (little boy). He maintained his weight overnight...at 7 days old he’s 3.7oz
 
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Tasha2511

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@NinaGato I dont mind going to see another vet with the babies, its not the cost of it that bothers me...everytime I take one from her for few hours and disappear, she becomes more and more unsettled.
She's a first time anxious mommy...she's doing the best that she can, and after each time it takes me days to settle her again. I brought Chilli back to her on Tuesday morning, she had only just settled last night - she watches me like a hawk what I am doing with them every day at 7am and 7pm (medicating, supplementing, relieving and then hand them back to her).
 

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I believe the brown marks on their faces & tongue that you are worried about is just the oil from mom's skin. My vet & I both still laugh about when I brought my first litter in because they all had black tongues We were both stumped until I figured out it was from mom's body oil.
Try not to beat yourself up about losing poor little Pepper Supplemental feeding is hard & aspiration pneumonia is deadly. We can only try our best. Some kits just won't make it no matter how much love & effort we put into it.
 

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I'm so sorry to read the issues you are having with this litter. My heart goes out to you. You definitely are giving them all 100% care. Don't be hard on yourself, nature is an amazing thing.
 

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@Tasha2511 I am so sorry to hear about poor Pepper. She sounds so loved by you and her mama. I'm so sorry that I don't have any advice or wisdom for you, but you're in my thoughts.
 

Tasha2511

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Hi All, thank you for all your kind words and to @momdeeze - I think you may be right - as their whole tongues are now brown / black but only down the middle strangely enough. The marks on the cheeks and the chins have now disappeared (after 5 days on antibiotics though). But like i said, those were hard - like scabs. The only thing i could think of was may be the electric blanket was too hot for them - this was also recently replaced with one where low setting is lower than the old one.

Luna is still adjusting - i think its a shock to her system that there are 5... babies, i have been supplementing until last night, now I am too scared to do it. She feeds them in batches - first 2, then 3.
I came home, and some didnt want the bottle (not hungry)...but one, she took the bottle and inhaled approximately 1ml without stopping. Then stopped to swallow and it all came back up through the nose, mouth...everywhere. She started gasping - i aspirated as much as i could (as much as it would), turned her head down and started rubbing...no idea what i was doing or if i was doing it right, she was sneezing, i was rubbing vigorously, aspirating, all at once. I had no time to call my mentor or be on hold with the vet. Eventually after 7-10 minutes she let out a normal cry! Few hours later, no sneezing. This morning, no sneezing.

Theyre all still on antibiotics, as one was sneezing. So will be keeping this one a tad longer.

But here is something to make you all smile
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What an amazing, tiny little warrior! So small, but fierce! You're doing great with the babes. Luna mama is lucky to have you to help her!
 

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You are doing great! Kittens are hard. Keep your chin up. You are doing the very best you can and that is all that anyone could ask of you.
What a fierce look on that kitten. Gonna be a tough one.
 
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