New breakouts under neck and more questions..

[ArlosMom]

First, here is my last post in case anyone wants to reference it... Layla (new baby) vet visit update
So, Layla had some new "eruptions" this morning. They look more blister-like and are sort of strung together (so more like clusters instead of individual sores). I am thinking more that this may in fact be demodex as the doctor mentioned. However, I am quite hesitant to put a topical product on her such as the one the vet recommended (advantage multi). Instead I ordered and was going to try one of the following: Scabisil (sulfur ointment-all natural), Nu Stock OIntment, Goodwinol Ointment ..

I would of course use VERY sparingly and rub in extremely well. Her sores are mostly under her neck and on the sides of her ears. Does anyone have any experience with any of these products or thoughts. I am so worried about this baby. I also dont' want to further irritate the skin. UGH! I also emailed the vet and strongly urged her to give Layla a shot of covenia just to be safe that there is no underlying infection. Here is her latest outbreak:

 

[Nicolemorgan]

Oh dear, poor Layla. I hope you are able to find a product that works, and that perhaps that shot from the vet will help. I don't really have any advice, just wanted to send positive thoughts and hugs your way while you are dealing with this. Lots of hugs for Layla too! Hope she feels better soon!

 

[Yoda mom]

@ArlosMom , oh sweet Layla .. What is going on baby girl

I would contact your vet and the veterinary university dermatology dept you mentioned
From memory , you mentioned the skin scraping was negative for bacteria?
Have they checked for other things to rule out?

With anything around the neck and throat I always think of the "hot spots " my dog got when he had a food ingredient sensitivity - it was nasty and localized to under ear and neck- came out like overnight and just awful -

I changed food , got quadritop ointment and antibiotics from vet for 10 days amd it went away

What has your breeder said? How are her breeders?
I know she is a singleton - not sure if they effects their immune system? Question for a vet

***Hmmm just a thought from long at the picture -
***could it be a strand irritation lining up with her sweater neck amd chin rubbing on her sweater too?
I would get the sweater off and see it it helps
-
I get those 50X60 throw blankets at Ross store and they burrow and stay warm

something is definitely going on with sweet Layla - I hope the vets consult with each other for some answers
And relief
I would keep her separate from Arlo and wash hands diligently between contact with Layla ans Arlo
Just until you get some answers -

Will keep all paws crossed for answers and relief
Sorry I dont have input about the ointments but hopeful others can chime in

Let us know what the vet said about giving her the shot-
You want to make sure you nip it in the butt , so I wouldn't put too many products on until
You get concrete answers a diagnosis and treatmemt plan
(((Hugs))

 

[Hairless Blessing]

Go to a specialist. Your wasting time and money.
I think she has a serious issue going on.
Dermatologist, at a University. This is the only way I would go.
with the issue you have.

 

[ArlosMom]

Yes, @Hairless Blessing ..I am going to call first thing in the morning. It's a 2.5 hour drive each way, but I know I will get answers. My vet only did a cytology where she swabbed one of the sores and also swabbed her ears. I also wasn't feeling easy about her recommendation of putting advantage on her already irritated skin. I am sure a university vet will have seen it all and will know better what is going on.
Thanks!

Go to a specialist. Your wasting time and money.
I think she has a serious issue going on.
Dermatologist, at a University. This is the only way I would go.
with the issue you have.

 

[Yoda mom]

@ArlosMom , see if the university will let you text a photo-
Also , did vet do a fungal culture? With anything symmetrical I would definitely ask
To rule out ringworm as a long shot

Oh Layla we are sending a lair full of feel better!

 

[GoldHazel]

@ArlosMom my heart is breaking seeing the photo above. I feel for that baby girl and for you, Mommy. This is just a nightmare for you. You thought you were doing the best thing for her by taking her from her mommy cat early as the breeder suggested and it turns out that it wasn't mommy cat doing the irritating, but obviously trying to help her baby.

Are you in touch with the breeder? If so, do you get a feeling that she knows what this is and didn't want to deal with it herself and had you take Layla early? Just asking, you would need to be the judge of that...for me, I'm seeing a red flag.

Aww, hugs to you.
Will be praying that they can immediately identify the problem and it can be an easy and quick solution to clear up these bumps. Who knows, maybe it's something like a food allergy?

Keep in mind the Convenia injection in case they know or think it's bacterial. If they want to give her Clavamox, tell them that it's not going to be extremely helpful to the sphynx breed.

Best of luck.

 

[ArlosMom]

@Yoda mom .. I emailed the vet and told her my concerns. Also sent her a picture of the new breakout. I am going to call 1st thing in the morning and schedule an appt. @the university vet. It's 2.5 hrs away, but i will do whatever i need to do to help her. And yes, the vet said the slide she looked at was negative for bacteria. However, I had just washed her with chlorhexadine shampoo, so not sure if that would have killed any potential bacteria. She did squeeze one of the sores to get a bit of fluid out and she swabbed that. She didn't scrape any skin or anything like that. I feel kind of stupid for not pushing further and asking her to do more. If Layla had this demodex thing, wouldn't that have shown on the slide? Wouldn't it be elsewhere on her body? She had a few bumps on her back and abdomen, but these have since gone down and now she just has these big blister type sores. I just wish it was cut and dry..however as I am learning it is far from that! Thank you for your kind words and concern. I will certainly keep you and everyone posted. I would be so lost without all of you. I am seriously so grateful.
Hugs!

@ArlosMom , oh sweet Layla .. What is going on baby girl

I would contact your vet and the veterinary university dermatology dept you mentioned
From memory , you mentioned the skin scraping was negative for bacteria?
Have they checked for other things to rule out?

With anything around the neck and throat I always think of the "hot spots " my dog got when he had a food ingredient sensitivity - it was nasty and localized to under ear and neck- came out like overnight and just awful -

I changed food , got quadritop ointment and antibiotics from vet for 10 days amd it went away

What has your breeder said? How are her breeders?
I know she is a singleton - not sure if they effects their immune system? Question for a vet

***Hmmm just a thought from long at the picture -
***could it be a strand irritation lining up with her sweater neck amd chin rubbing on her sweater too?
I would get the sweater off and see it it helps
-
I get those 50X60 throw blankets at Ross store and they burrow and stay warm

something is definitely going on with sweet Layla - I hope the vets consult with each other for some answers
And relief
I would keep her separate from Arlo and wash hands diligently between contact with Layla ans Arlo
Just until you get some answers -

Will keep all paws crossed for answers and relief
Sorry I dont have input about the ointments but hopeful others can chime in

Let us know what the vet said about giving her the shot-
You want to make sure you nip it in the butt , so I wouldn't put too many products on until
You get concrete answers a diagnosis and treatmemt plan
(((Hugs))

 

[Yoda mom]

@ArlosMom ,((Hugs))) you know we all pull together brainstorming but always best to get the professional advice and treatment
Gpad you are going with your gut ..


I know Layla has all the best of love and care with you
Amd we worry like one of our own

Any new cutie pics of Layla?

Wil check back for good news updates!

 

[ArlosMom]

Yes, @GoldHazel ; I sent the vet an email, along with the photo and asked her specifically about covenia. If it can't hurt her and could only potentially help her, if it is bacterial in nature, then I definitely want it. I am just upset at myself for not pushing more and for not seeing then, what I am seeing now, which are red flags with the whole situation. I have to say that the first response from my vet when I emailed her initially even before picking Layla up, was that she wondered if the mom was licking because of an existing issue. I think she was spot on with that. And yes, now I see the red flags which were there all along. Unfortunately for me, I am a slow learner and trust too easily so I didn't think the breeder would be dishonest with me. Now my heart is in this 100% and I am glad we have Layla and can get her the help she needs. I am definitely calling tomorrow to schedule her with the university vet hospital. I will not stop until I have answers and she is better. Thank God for credit cards! My discounted kitty is going to end up costing me twice what a healthy one would have. But I wouldn't have it any other way as this little girl has my whole heart.

Hugs!

@ArlosMom my heart is breaking seeing the photo above. I feel for that baby girl and for you, Mommy. This is just a nightmare for you. You thought you were doing the best thing for her by taking her from her mommy cat early as the breeder suggested and it turns out that it wasn't mommy cat doing the irritating, but obviously trying to help her baby.

Are you in touch with the breeder? If so, do you get a feeling that she knows what this is and didn't want to deal with it herself and had you take Layla early? Just asking, you would need to be the judge of that...for me, I'm seeing a red flag.

Aww, hugs to you.
Will be praying that they can immediately identify the problem and it can be an easy and quick solution to clear up these bumps. Who knows, maybe it's something like a food allergy?

Keep in mind the Convenia injection in case they know or think it's bacterial. If they want to give her Clavamox, tell them that it's not going to be extremely helpful to the sphynx breed.

Best of luck.

 

[ArlosMom]

@Yoda mom ..no fungal culture done. What do you think about using one of those sulfur products on her to see if they help? I worry about putting it on erupted sores as I don't want her to be in any discomfort. But I also want to try to see if it helps. What do you think? I am looking now to see if there is an email I can send to @ the university. Thank you so much.

@ArlosMom , see if the university will let you text a photo-
Also , did vet do a fungal culture? With anything symmetrical I would definitely ask
To rule out ringworm as a long shot

Oh Layla we are sending a lair full of feel better!

 

[Yoda mom]

@ArlosMom , don't beat your self up. We have all been there and understand .... Just move forward team Layla!
I am not a vet but Personally , I would definitely ask a vet first before putting anything on.
It's so hard when we want to help theM but can't get answers - hopefully in the morning you will

(Btw, I got a care credit approved over the phone for my boy years ago
My vet went 18 mos promo for any charges ove $200 on it - just have to stay on it or it can pile on interest -
I use it for all my vet visits and have never paid a dime interest )
On charges of less than 200 I pay it separately in full online within the same billing cycle - then call Care credit amd have them pay off the under 200 charge with the payment I just made for it -it avoids interest and gives me a couple of weeks to pay in full
They are sneaky to try to put on small interest but I call and they back it out)
I keep care credit tucked in my wallet for vet and my dentist - it's been a heck of a year


So glad Layla found her angel in you --
Please give extra lovin to Layla amd Arlo for me

 

[Hairless Blessing]

I think I would either ask the University about using it until I seen them or not.
Not knowing what the issue is, I would be afraid to use it.
It could hurt her. I would tell the University how bad it is and it is of
the most importance, you see them asap. Please keep us updated.
I'm sorry you have to deal with this, but, if you didn't take her.
She could be dead or in a home where they didn't care. Thank you for
taking her. I pray you will get to the bottom of the cause.
She will be healed. I pray you will be blessed tenfold.

 

[ArlosMom]

ok, wanted to post this for all to read.. this is what the breeder texted to me after I told her she was having continued breakouts.. Let me know your thoughts..

"The bumps definitely started before she ate canned food. XXXX was licking her like a mother cat normally would, but because it was just her, she got licked sooo much. At 4 weeks old is when I took her to get looked at, since she was getting so raw and having the bumps come. He said it was definitely from the licking due to bacteria in mouth which is natural, but in excess to another is not. Some of those spots look like they are reappearing from before-- the one on the back was almost healed, but now looks worse. I was using a triple antibiotic cream-- I should have sent it with you. The vet did say that some cats are over-excessive groomers to themselves and sometimes their kittens. He said that when the skin is broken it can get infected from the bacteria and if it gets worse doesn't go away with cream, then oral antibiotic is administered. The cream seemed to help a lot, plus I cleaned her spots with hydrogen peroxide. I didn't want to give oral antibiotics if not needed, since they can be hard on the stomach, etc.
If this continues, maybe your vet will decide to just try amoxicillin or clavomox, though."

In another text, she also said "those look more like a rash--I have seen those on sphynx when they have a reaction to a perfume or lotion or detergent. Usually gone in a day, unless they are still exposed to irritant"

Thoughts on this? I just think it's strange that the sores continued and she didn't bring her back to the vet, even when the vet said it could turn into a bacterial infection. How could someone not bring this baby back to have her looked at again? What if permanent damage has been done.. UGGHHHH!!!
I texted her just now and asked for her vet contact info so my vet can consult with the vet who saw her at the onset of these sores. We will see what she says . I just want answers and I want my baby to be better!!

I also sent an email and photos to an email I found on the U of I vet website. I asked (ok, I begged) for an expedited appointment to get her in to see a dermatology specialist. Prayers for Layla.. please.. I am so worried and sick to my stomach!! Sorry, I am getting so upset and worked up the more I think about this. Thank you everyone for allowing me to vent and of course for all the love and support!

 

[GoldHazel]

Yes, @GoldHazel ; I sent the vet an email, along with the photo and asked her specifically about covenia. If it can't hurt her and could only potentially help her, if it is bacterial in nature, then I definitely want it. I am just upset at myself for not pushing more and for not seeing then, what I am seeing now, which are red flags with the whole situation. I have to say that the first response from my vet when I emailed her initially even before picking Layla up, was that she wondered if the mom was licking because of an existing issue. I think she was spot on with that. And yes, now I see the red flags which were there all along. Unfortunately for me, I am a slow learner and trust too easily so I didn't think the breeder would be dishonest with me. Now my heart is in this 100% and I am glad we have Layla and can get her the help she needs. I am definitely calling tomorrow to schedule her with the university vet hospital. I will not stop until I have answers and she is better. Thank God for credit cards! My discounted kitty is going to end up costing me twice what a healthy one would have. But I wouldn't have it any other way as this little girl has my whole heart.

Hugs!

Yes, that's exactly what I had mentioned to you...about Mama cat licking Layla because of a skin issue, not because she was over cleaning her since she was her only baby born.
I totally get you about trusting and thinking the breeder wouldn't be dishonest. I've been there, done that! Call the breeder again and demand answers.

 

[Yoda mom]

I would personally continue to be Layla"s angel and move forward with the university vet for a proper diagnosis and treatment
- energy better spent - imho -
Been down that path with the breeder call text stuff with my first sphynx-
Lots of prayers sent Layla's way!

 

[NinaGato]

Sending you well wishes. Hoping that a dermatologist can help you out.
Years ago I did have a rescue naked and he had demodex. I did use a topical on him for a couple of months and it did help clear up the demodex. But, I cannot remember which topical I used. I put a few drops on skin and let soak in and did a few more till cat got whole dose in between shoulder blades.

 

[GoldHazel]

@ArlosMom I had another thought:
Does Layla have anything from the breeder's house such as clothing, a blanket, a stuffed animal, etc.? I'm wondering if it could be bed bug bites! It's just baffling me that under her clothing, there are no skin problems, you know?

 

[naomi]

ok, wanted to post this for all to read.. this is what the breeder texted to me after I told her she was having continued breakouts.. Let me know your thoughts..

"The bumps definitely started before she ate canned food. XXXX was licking her like a mother cat normally would, but because it was just her, she got licked sooo much. At 4 weeks old is when I took her to get looked at, since she was getting so raw and having the bumps come. He said it was definitely from the licking due to bacteria in mouth which is natural, but in excess to another is not. Some of those spots look like they are reappearing from before-- the one on the back was almost healed, but now looks worse. I was using a triple antibiotic cream-- I should have sent it with you. The vet did say that some cats are over-excessive groomers to themselves and sometimes their kittens. He said that when the skin is broken it can get infected from the bacteria and if it gets worse doesn't go away with cream, then oral antibiotic is administered. The cream seemed to help a lot, plus I cleaned her spots with hydrogen peroxide. I didn't want to give oral antibiotics if not needed, since they can be hard on the stomach, etc.
If this continues, maybe your vet will decide to just try amoxicillin or clavomox, though."

In another text, she also said "those look more like a rash--I have seen those on sphynx when they have a reaction to a perfume or lotion or detergent. Usually gone in a day, unless they are still exposed to irritant"

Thoughts on this? I just think it's strange that the sores continued and she didn't bring her back to the vet, even when the vet said it could turn into a bacterial infection. How could someone not bring this baby back to have her looked at again? What if permanent damage has been done.. UGGHHHH!!!
I texted her just now and asked for her vet contact info so my vet can consult with the vet who saw her at the onset of these sores. We will see what she says . I just want answers and I want my baby to be better!!

I also sent an email and photos to an email I found on the U of I vet website. I asked (ok, I begged) for an expedited appointment to get her in to see a dermatology specialist. Prayers for Layla.. please.. I am so worried and sick to my stomach!! Sorry, I am getting so upset and worked up the more I think about this. Thank you everyone for allowing me to vent and of course for all the love and support!

Yikes what a sucky situation. I think you are on the mark asking for veterinary records. Maybe if you make it clear you intend to keep the kitten she will be more willing to give you the info? I would be careful how you phrase this. Don't say that you won't take legal action or that you won't demand a refund. Save all your correspondence. I really hope that this can be solved civilly but it is good to have everything you can just in case. I would send a very clear email asking for her veterinary records and any additional information to be sent to you and your vet. Save that email so you can prove you sent it. As iky as that feels I think this person has been acting unethically. Did you have a contract that covers the Health of the kitten? Hopefully you received a signed copy as well? If nothing else I think this is a good lesson for the rest of us lairians. It isn't the ones that feel untrustworthy that dupe us.
Other than that just love your new baby and do what you can for her. You are a great Sphynx momma and at least you know she is in good Hands now. Good luck and hopefully the veterinary university will have some answers.
Hugs- Naomi and Frida

 

[BusterTheCat]

Oh no! It appears they have gotten larger and more red I hope she is alright! I've been reading your posts and hoping for the best. I wish I knew more about skin conditions but unfortunately I am no help. Do they seem to be bothering her now? Feel better sweetheart <3

 

[Toa and Ross]

Yes, @GoldHazel ; I sent the vet an email, along with the photo and asked her specifically about covenia. If it can't hurt her and could only potentially help her, if it is bacterial in nature, then I definitely want it. I am just upset at myself for not pushing more and for not seeing then, what I am seeing now, which are red flags with the whole situation. I have to say that the first response from my vet when I emailed her initially even before picking Layla up, was that she wondered if the mom was licking because of an existing issue. I think she was spot on with that. And yes, now I see the red flags which were there all along. Unfortunately for me, I am a slow learner and trust too easily so I didn't think the breeder would be dishonest with me. Now my heart is in this 100% and I am glad we have Layla and can get her the help she needs. I am definitely calling tomorrow to schedule her with the university vet hospital. I will not stop until I have answers and she is better. Thank God for credit cards! My discounted kitty is going to end up costing me twice what a healthy one would have. But I wouldn't have it any other way as this little girl has my whole heart.

Hugs!

You're such a dedicated mommy. I'm happy Layla is with you now cause you're taking such good care of her!
Hope the (university) vet can help and knows what's going on.

Healing vibes for Layla and a big hug for you!

 

[admin]

First, here is my last post in case anyone wants to reference it... Layla (new baby) vet visit update
So, Layla had some new "eruptions" this morning. They look more blister-like and are sort of strung together (so more like clusters instead of individual sores). I am thinking more that this may in fact be demodex as the doctor mentioned. However, I am quite hesitant to put a topical product on her such as the one the vet recommended (advantage multi). Instead I ordered and was going to try one of the following: Scabisil (sulfur ointment-all natural), Nu Stock OIntment, Goodwinol Ointment ..

I would of course use VERY sparingly and rub in extremely well. Her sores are mostly under her neck and on the sides of her ears. Does anyone have any experience with any of these products or thoughts. I am so worried about this baby. I also dont' want to further irritate the skin. UGH! I also emailed the vet and strongly urged her to give Layla a shot of covenia just to be safe that there is no underlying infection. Here is her latest outbreak:
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There are multiple threads here so Im a bit confused, pardon me if it has been mentioned already, have you tried switching foods? It appears to be a food allergy. A good quality grain free food like Natural Balance Green Pea and Duck Formula Limited Ingredients Cat Food | Petco Store. Its the cheapest, easiest way to rule out skin irritations. It will change within a few days to a week if thats the culprit. Unless the irritation is life threatening I would give it a go. If you look through hundreds of posts here on the Lair the bumps look similar to ones with food allergies. It surely can't hurt. Again if it was already mentioned or tried, I do apologize. Thats my best guess.

 

[Yoda mom]

@ArlosMom , checking in on Layla this morning
I think the food memtion by admin
Natural Balance L.I.D. Limited Ingredient Diets Green Pea & Duck Formula Dry Cat Food, 10-lb bag

is a great idea in the meanwhile while you get an appointment
(It's sold and most local pet shops and online too if it works amd if it works and the store too far away like it is for me for frequent purchase)

Food allergies very well could be the culprit like the horrid bumps and sores my Sam had that a change of food did the trick just like many kitties here-
Interestingly ,it was a change to a duck formula with my boy too that cleared him right up within two days I saw a change-
Perhaps Worth a try till she gets in to vet - see what the vet suggests when they call back this morning for an appointment schedule

I really wanted my boy to raw feed years ago but had to go with what worked for him
Hopefully you get a diagnosis /relief soon for lik Layla


Prayers amd hugs

 

[ArlosMom]

@admin ; i haven't tried switching her food as she's on 100% raw but this was happening since she was 4 weeks old, and still nursing, so I had sort of ruled out food allergy issues. She isn't getting any other food/treats, etc.. (she won't eat anything else). I was going to try the next protein on my list this week, which is turkey and see how she does. A week before I brought her home, she was being given canned food-I believe it was wild calling rabbit or something like that. I would hate to give her additional issues such as tummy issues by switching her from raw to a kibble. I would rather rule everything else out before messing with her diet. I wonder if the vet can test for food allergies as well. I am thinking so.. But thank you for your input. Every bit helps as this is such a perplexing situation!
Thank you.

There are multiple threads here so Im a bit confused, pardon me if it has been mentioned already, have you tried switching foods? It appears to be a food allergy. A good quality grain free food like Natural Balance Green Pea and Duck Formula Limited Ingredients Cat Food | Petco Store. Its the cheapest, easiest way to rule out skin irritations. It will change within a few days to a week if thats the culprit. Unless the irritation is life threatening I would give it a go. If you look through hundreds of posts here on the Lair the bumps look similar to ones with food allergies. It surely can't hurt. Again if it was already mentioned or tried, I do apologize. Thats my best guess.

 

[ArlosMom]

UPDATE: U of I appt. on Friday at noon (it's a 5 hr. round trip drive, so prob. won't post updates until Saturday). I had added L-Lysine to her diet and I really think it's helping. The new sores seem to be healing much quicker than before. Not sure if it has anything to do w/ the addition of the L-Lysine or not. Asked breeder for vet info and she responded back yesterday saying she was very ill and that she would get back to me. I responded back and said I just needed a name. Anyway, I'll be sure to keep everyone posted. I know I said it before, but I must say it again--just how very grateful I am for each and every one of you. It's amazing how being part of a community such as this helps us deal with the ups and down of life with these beautiful creatures ! Of course there are MANY more "ups" than downs, but it's so emotionally difficult when our babies are ill. Thank you all!! :kiss: